Larry, do you think the departure of Glenn Box has contributed to our failure to recruit high-level talent? Just a mystery to me why Teri is not knocking it out of the box on this, but I fear the consequences. Warthan, Patberg, Holmes are not the answers, for sure, and I have no idea if our medically infirm assistant coach, god bless him, has the wherewithal to solve the issue.
I think it that Moren like Matt Painter recruits to a system that fits her mentality of shooting, hustle, and hard nose D. She goes after a limited number of 5-stars she thinks fits and will almost always strike out.
With that said, she has the highest ranked player directly out of High School in program history for next yr in Maya Makalusky who is borderline 4-5 star and in 30’s nationally. Also have top-60 guard in Nevaeh Caffey coming in who is a more athletic Chloe Moore-McNeil that everyone has been clamoring for.
Where Moren differs from Painter is her use of the portal where some of her best players have come from in Patberg, Parrish, Scalia, Czeikski, and Striplin. Without these players IU would be in huge trouble.
Until Moren shows the way she does things doesn’t work, she deserves benefit of doubt. Like Painter, when she has a generational player she can compete in the Big Ten and nationally. When she doesn’t, team has a high floor but low ceiling like this season where team will be mid-pack of Big Ten and round of 32 or 16 with massive upset. Kind of how things are with Painter also.
For next year the backcourt appears to be set with Yarden, Shay, and a healthy Lenee Beaumont who could have really helped this season. She needs to hit in the portal for a center. If Lexus Bargesser and Lily Meister are starters next season it’s time for some panic. However, if she hits in portal as she usually does or one of the freshman is ready to contribute right away similar to Yarden, a season similar to this one is floor.
Until we see the way things are being done don’t work, we need to give Moren benefit of doubt. Thanks for reading!
Despite a slight drop off in attendance we are still I believe fourth or fifth in country . That’s for a team NOT a threat to do anything on a national basis. All above us are national contenders. I’d say that’s pretty good.
They were great last night in stopping McMahon from bulldozing them on straight line drives and the zone defense against teams that don’t shoot the three real well was good
The 'announced crowd' and the actual crowd are very different things this year. With 10,000 season tickets holders that is the minimum number listed even if somewhat less are there. Its the same with the men with over 17,000 ticket holders so always an 'announced sellout'.
In actuality the number there is much less with 11-12k for men and 6-7k for women. Being amongst top in the country is based on the number of season ticket holders who are always factored into attendance but don't show up. This applies everywhere where announced number includes season tickets but IU has a particular high number in both that are no-shows.
The women's crowds before last year were close in announced attendance and actual attendance as season ticket holders were only a couple thousand, so large crowds were based on individual sales which is basically the real number there.
With the women now having a massive season ticket based the number in the box score that is used, is very inflated and that is what all the statistics are based on. With all of that said, the actual number there would still be top 15-20 in women's bball.
My concern lies in next year where history tells us a huge number of IU fans won't support or invest in any Hoosier squad besides Men's Basketball that is not top 10-15 in the nation. I have seen this situation in the Mallory era, baseball post-college World Series, IU soccer in Freitag era, ETC.
Based on history, the women's season ticket base will fall from 10k to 3-5k next season off of a season like this. Attendance in Mallory era attendance fell from 50k a season back to 35k when team "only" won about eight games or baseball has only averaged 50% capacity at Bart Kaufman Field post College World Series era for the most part.
I hope I am wrong, but every data point from the past tells me if Cignetti wins 7-9 games a season, attendance will go back 35-40k as it usually is and women's basketball having seasons like this going forward as top 30-35 team and postseason appearance (which is likely to be the norm for the most part) is likely to be lucky to draw 5,000 a game going forward which is nothing special.
While there is some of this front-runner mentality everywhere, it is particularly bad at IU compared to elsewhere. I fear a top 30-35 women's team and a 7-9 win football team won't draw much differently from a 75-100 ranked women's team and 3-5 win football squads as has happened historically. This was more my point with this story as well as the attached column I wrote about attendance.
I would like nothing more to be wrong and this to be different, but all we have to go on is the history. The response to that level of play unfortunately is pretty overwhelmingly negative amongst the fan base.
Well Ari, we will find out about football quickly, because we will
Play Illinois ( projected to be playoff team) , and Iowa by end of September. If we don’t win one of those games the playoff dreams for next year will be over for the fan base unless we beat Oregon or Penn State on road.
Coach Cig will be one pissed off camper if the attendance drops to 30,000 for Big Ten games.
The only women’s teams drawing big crowds are the perennial contenders, with this year us and Iowa the only teams not ranked drawing big crowds. I watched Ohio State women’s home game and a hand grenade wouldn’t have hurt anyone
To me , with our success in women’s game for last five years , it has been disappointing that Teri hasn’t been able to either recruit the athleticism either from high school or transfer portal
To keep
Is at that level.
I believe there may be help on the way next year . I hope so.
Larry, do you think the departure of Glenn Box has contributed to our failure to recruit high-level talent? Just a mystery to me why Teri is not knocking it out of the box on this, but I fear the consequences. Warthan, Patberg, Holmes are not the answers, for sure, and I have no idea if our medically infirm assistant coach, god bless him, has the wherewithal to solve the issue.
I think it that Moren like Matt Painter recruits to a system that fits her mentality of shooting, hustle, and hard nose D. She goes after a limited number of 5-stars she thinks fits and will almost always strike out.
With that said, she has the highest ranked player directly out of High School in program history for next yr in Maya Makalusky who is borderline 4-5 star and in 30’s nationally. Also have top-60 guard in Nevaeh Caffey coming in who is a more athletic Chloe Moore-McNeil that everyone has been clamoring for.
Where Moren differs from Painter is her use of the portal where some of her best players have come from in Patberg, Parrish, Scalia, Czeikski, and Striplin. Without these players IU would be in huge trouble.
Until Moren shows the way she does things doesn’t work, she deserves benefit of doubt. Like Painter, when she has a generational player she can compete in the Big Ten and nationally. When she doesn’t, team has a high floor but low ceiling like this season where team will be mid-pack of Big Ten and round of 32 or 16 with massive upset. Kind of how things are with Painter also.
For next year the backcourt appears to be set with Yarden, Shay, and a healthy Lenee Beaumont who could have really helped this season. She needs to hit in the portal for a center. If Lexus Bargesser and Lily Meister are starters next season it’s time for some panic. However, if she hits in portal as she usually does or one of the freshman is ready to contribute right away similar to Yarden, a season similar to this one is floor.
Until we see the way things are being done don’t work, we need to give Moren benefit of doubt. Thanks for reading!
Despite a slight drop off in attendance we are still I believe fourth or fifth in country . That’s for a team NOT a threat to do anything on a national basis. All above us are national contenders. I’d say that’s pretty good.
They were great last night in stopping McMahon from bulldozing them on straight line drives and the zone defense against teams that don’t shoot the three real well was good
Go Hoosiers
The 'announced crowd' and the actual crowd are very different things this year. With 10,000 season tickets holders that is the minimum number listed even if somewhat less are there. Its the same with the men with over 17,000 ticket holders so always an 'announced sellout'.
In actuality the number there is much less with 11-12k for men and 6-7k for women. Being amongst top in the country is based on the number of season ticket holders who are always factored into attendance but don't show up. This applies everywhere where announced number includes season tickets but IU has a particular high number in both that are no-shows.
The women's crowds before last year were close in announced attendance and actual attendance as season ticket holders were only a couple thousand, so large crowds were based on individual sales which is basically the real number there.
With the women now having a massive season ticket based the number in the box score that is used, is very inflated and that is what all the statistics are based on. With all of that said, the actual number there would still be top 15-20 in women's bball.
My concern lies in next year where history tells us a huge number of IU fans won't support or invest in any Hoosier squad besides Men's Basketball that is not top 10-15 in the nation. I have seen this situation in the Mallory era, baseball post-college World Series, IU soccer in Freitag era, ETC.
Based on history, the women's season ticket base will fall from 10k to 3-5k next season off of a season like this. Attendance in Mallory era attendance fell from 50k a season back to 35k when team "only" won about eight games or baseball has only averaged 50% capacity at Bart Kaufman Field post College World Series era for the most part.
I hope I am wrong, but every data point from the past tells me if Cignetti wins 7-9 games a season, attendance will go back 35-40k as it usually is and women's basketball having seasons like this going forward as top 30-35 team and postseason appearance (which is likely to be the norm for the most part) is likely to be lucky to draw 5,000 a game going forward which is nothing special.
While there is some of this front-runner mentality everywhere, it is particularly bad at IU compared to elsewhere. I fear a top 30-35 women's team and a 7-9 win football team won't draw much differently from a 75-100 ranked women's team and 3-5 win football squads as has happened historically. This was more my point with this story as well as the attached column I wrote about attendance.
I would like nothing more to be wrong and this to be different, but all we have to go on is the history. The response to that level of play unfortunately is pretty overwhelmingly negative amongst the fan base.
Well Ari, we will find out about football quickly, because we will
Play Illinois ( projected to be playoff team) , and Iowa by end of September. If we don’t win one of those games the playoff dreams for next year will be over for the fan base unless we beat Oregon or Penn State on road.
Coach Cig will be one pissed off camper if the attendance drops to 30,000 for Big Ten games.
The only women’s teams drawing big crowds are the perennial contenders, with this year us and Iowa the only teams not ranked drawing big crowds. I watched Ohio State women’s home game and a hand grenade wouldn’t have hurt anyone
To me , with our success in women’s game for last five years , it has been disappointing that Teri hasn’t been able to either recruit the athleticism either from high school or transfer portal
To keep
Is at that level.
I believe there may be help on the way next year . I hope so.
No comment on men’s basketball . Too depressing
Dont disagree on any of that. We will have to see on attendance going forward. Hope I am wrong but history says otherwise.
Thanks for reading!